melissa francis on "markets now" at 1 p.m., and i'm joining imus next week as well. hope you tune in as well. thank you for listening, have a greet weekend. >> the number is bad, but this one is worse. welcome, everybody, i'm charles payne for neil cavuto. 12 million people unemployed, and those folks could have a lot more competition for jobs with a new report saying the immigration plan floods the market with a million foreigners a year, a million. oh, and they will look for work. critics say we'll all be looking for bigger job messes than we already have. melissa francis, ford o'connell, and help us sort it out. melissa, you first. a lot of people say, you know, can we get our own house in order before we open the flood

gates again. >> you know, i don't know that it malters, the only type of jobs available in the country right now are for highly skilled workers. if you don't have an engineering degree, or computer science degree r or not a mathematician, there's not a job anyway. it doesn't make sense to bring in people competing for the low -- charles: they came in, give them health care, and, againings we're not necessarily fixed well to do that either. >> no, that's absolutely true. charles: tim, and it's interesting that melissa mentions that because i think of all the people coming in, at least from what i saw so far, we still have strict restrictions on the people that fill the stem jobs, science, technology, engineering, and math jobs. >> that's exactly right. in fact, a report out i saw this week that the visa applications for high skilled employees have been reach for this year. the economy does need those folks. me la is a's exactly right. i caution whenever there's an issue like immigration debated behind closed doors, you'll have members of congress or staffers who will leak stuff.

sometimes it's an ax to grind, sometimes a trial balloon to float. i just think it's important not to hype ventilate over a story without source people to it. whatever happens in the senate, we'll do a regular order in the house meaning subcommittee hearings on judiciary, open to the public, the full committee hearings with markups open to the public before any vote potentially could ever occur in the house, so that's why i'm not -- one story like this is not something to get too breathless about. charles: i hear where you come from. here's the thing, trial balloon or not, we understand that this is sort of along administration's agenda, something they'd like to see, more, bigger influence of foreigners, and, again, you know, i just don't think the country is fixed well to handle that influence, what do you think? >> well, i think we have to take it slow with immigration reform. as a fiscal conservative, i was for immigration reform before it

was fashionable to do it. strike the right balance with respect to the visas. the idea is to increase productivity to grow the economy and add manufacture jobs. at the same time, we have to avoid a situation that leaves higher up employment and lower wages, and greater government dependency. charles: that's just it. we talked about that melissa. >> yeah. charles: the thing is we had fewer people coming to the country than in the past in part due to the economic situation you talked about. >> at the same time, people would make the argument that these are people that are here, that are coming here anyway rather than trying to stop it, we should be taxing them, have them contribute to what it is they are taking out of the economy, maybe become consumers down the road. any way you slice it, we need more skilled workers in the country and have to train our own unemployed people to be skilled workers and fill jobs that are open. charles: it's interesting, so what do we put efforts? in other words, say, listen, we

want to sort of, you know, slow down immigration so we can focus on getting people who, part of the permanent underclass, the jobs number, we know how many people are unemployed for 27 weeks or longer. that's a crisis. >> that's back to perm speedometer. we talk about it all the time. i'm a parent. i look at my sons saying, look, there's jobs out there begging in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. if you are interested in them, and they look like they are, go out and get trained in them. if you are unemployed, you have to look at the jobs that are open and look at how you can retrain yourself to fill jobs. waiting for the government to do something is going to leave you starving in the long run. charles: tim, you're not alarmed yet, but we do see the trends and where they are going. let's just say, throw a number out there, maybe it's not a million. what if it's half a million, 750,000, it's a huge influx, particularly as the country's going through the transsix with the new health care law coming on, that's a doosy to hurt a lot

of people and be very expensive implement, very complicated. at some point, do yyu think there's a political will then down in washington to put brakes on immigration or slow down a bit? >> i have a lot of confidence in senator marco rubio, a conservative free market leader across the board, won't sign on anything that's out of control. i have confidence in the house. it'll be a thorough review of anything that's happening that comes out of the of the senate. i know that's going to half. there's a regular order there. we'll have a good, long, thorough debate. the greatest threat is not a foreigner taking their job, but the fact no jobs are created under the current economic circumstance. >> exactly. >> that's right. >> we're not getting the government spending under control. obamacare provisions will be additional drains. we have the epa and so much of the other regulatory apparatus of this administration that are choking off innovation and job creation, and that's the biggest threat front and center. >> you are absolutely right, that's what they should be focused on and everybody in

washington should be focused on. how do we grow the economy, how do we get people back to work? that's the number one issue. you feel like -- charles: melissa, to that point, well, to that point, though, one of the big things out there is certainty making sure that small businesses create that. we promote the idea of the knowledge work going forward because essentially pruntivity is the only way we'll get out of the mess to expand the economy. charles: i want to ask youssef mejri talk about open mindedness. i know conservatives, people in the tea party, and immigration issue rubs folks the wrong way and feels like often they throw out the baby with the bath water. we talked about how important it is to fill stem jobs, and, sadly, we don't have enough americans to fill them, but there's 2 million vacant at this moment. you know, can we allow the einsteins to come in the country and the g.o.p. allow einsteins to come in the country, or will

they be against that? >> i think if we find the right balance between the visas, border security, and the pathway to citizenship, you will see the g.o.p. lead the way right now. my biggest concern is that president obama is trying to force this down their throat trying to guilt them into a bad bill that creates more government dependency. at the end of the day, the g.o.p. is looking for higher wages, lower unemployment, and people getting married. marriage creates strong families, and strong farmers creates strong economies. charles: this jobs report is so many different things, a malaise, if you will. >> dismal, 500,000 people dropped out of the work force in march, said, forget it, it's too hard, there's not a job. i'm not looking anymore. there are people out there in the mainstream media pointing to that tick down from 7 # 7 to 76 saying things are better. that's a lie. it's not true. it's that people are discouraged and dropped out. charles: the number that scared me the most before i let you go,

350,000, that's how many people quit the part-time job. if you quit a part-time job, something's wrong in this country. appreciate it. making money is making you a target. the irs is out to get you. you might know it already. the white house, well, they want to tax you as well. wrestlemania brings in huge busses to sandy victims, the star who made it happen before the main event with the rock sunday rather, he's here tonight. ♪

charles: does it pay to get paid? the president released a budget next week, and it looks like he's going to tax -- hike taxes on the rich, but he's not going off the nearly 50% of americans who don't pay any federal income tax, and the irs targets top earnings. those making a million bucks are

12 times more likely to get audited. liz says this is going to get worse. >> here's the deal. top irs official testified before congress and said, listen, even with health reforms, taxes are coming, the irs can't handle it either. in other words, the new taxes under health reform are really complicating what's going on behind the irs, and, yeah, we know that the high income people have always been audited more than the general population, but the concern, even on the part of the irs, that could wrongfully trigger audits for the people who taxes are targeted at. that's not a good thing for the upper brackets. charles: the theory, you know, 12 times more likely in the era of fairness seems odd to me. >> nothing fair about it. this has to do with where the money is. if you are retired, collecting a social security check, what's the irs going to audit you for? you make a million dollars,

self-employed, have a small business, that's where the deductions are. the irs targets that. they want the big revenue. charles: tax the rich, where is this taking us? >> i'm not sure it's taking us anywhere. you know, i -- when i was thinking about this program that e were going to do, i was thinking, charles, like, what tax level would you be happy with? you know, i assume the answer is 0%, but, you know, is it 5%, 20%, 40%? my view point on is this is theme poo complain about the high taxes that the rich have to pay don't have any number in mind this would satisfy them. i don't think you could give me a number right now. charles: what's fun i, -- funny about that, adam, is what would higher taxes be happy with? should i pay 100%, 80%, 60 pakistani. we go in opposite directions. over half of someone's money, liz, seems like a lot to me. >> guess what --

charles: take half the money you earned feels egregious. >> parlor talk to talk about the appropriate level, but we have a tangled barbed wire pile of the tax code, and the irs is increasingly looking like the museum of mass confusion like the heritage foundation predicted. %-more than golf.t of people it inspires more fiction writing than you can see in the new york review of the books. >> that's fine. >> it's not fine. >> no, no -- >> hang on, i covered the irs for years and testified before congress on irs reform, and both sides of the aisle agree. how do you get a tax code in place that's fair and wrongfully steer them into the irs? that's what always -- >> i have to be clear, liz -- >> the whole government spending thing and fight about the taxes is the irs has to collect it, and i don't like what the american people are now exposed to. >> when i say "that's fine," what i mean by that is that it's

fine to criticized a garbled tax code. i agree with you and everyone does that if we have a garbled tax code, make it better. that doesn't change the fact that for a century or so, maybe more, maybe my history's off, we had a progressive tax rate in the country, and we intend to keep having one. >> i have to stop you on that. i get it. we get it. we had a progressive tax code. even if someone says before it was and accounted in 1913, but what's striking about the conversation is that the former soviet satellite states are going to a flat tax while we are stuck with a progressive tax mess. charles: no one -- i have not heard anyone on either party say they don't agree that taxes should be progressive, but even within a progressive parameters, there should be the notion of common sense and fair pg. >> and the problem really is here that once you start approaching that 50% line where i give up half my money for

federal taxes, state taxes, social security, that's a line in the sand where no one wants to work anymore. we have witnessed it ourselves, small business owners go enough is enough. i'm giving away 50 cents on a dollar. i don't want to play the game anymore. >> the al terntive is? >> retire. >> not realistic for people. >> it happens because the demographics in the country telling us that the small business owner's getting older by the day. 63 yearings old, pay 50 crepts on the dollar, they walk away. charles: a jobs report said half a million walked away. i don't know that it's so farfetched. switching topics. if you want a visa, no problem, but if you want health care under the president's new law, there is a big problem. the application is looking like it's going to be 21 pages long, and if you need help, there's an instruction packet as well that's 61 pages well, but applying for a green card, well, just taking six pages. what do you think it is?

again, just we know, you know, if you tax something a lot, you discourage it. if you make something a thousand pages long, it's discouraged, and a couple pages short, you encourage it. >> i can tell you factually, every small business owner as a client is doing well. the great recession killed the competition, the survivors are stronger today, but they are reluctant to hire for this exact reason. they don't understand, and they don't know how the health law affects them january 1st. they work 12 hours a day, but they will not hire the extra person. charles: liz? >> i have to say, i mean, health reform is complicated, and i think those forms include tax subsidies that people net in the health insurance exchanges. i get why the forms are long. i don't agree. it's sad they are long because people who never have had health insurance before now need those government paid for navigators to get through it; right? you know, as for the -- listen, immigration forms short, i'm not going there. we're a nation built on immigrants, but again and again,

we see the rule making going on creates more forms that people fill out. charles: you know, i don't know these forms are going to say, ad am, but 21 pages seems like it's probably shorter. i bet once we see it, we'll say they could have made it shorter. some al -- ululterior reason for being this long? >> we could all do jobs better including government bureaucrats who write forms. liz doesn't want to go there, but charles you went to comparing immigration with health care. put it on the table. yes, we want to encourage immigrants, we are a nation of immigrants. we have that one rights it sounds like based on the evidence that you've given us, and now we should do better on this, but why you compare the two, immigration on the one hand and complicated health insurance on the other hand, i'm not quite sure about unless you suggest that immigration is a bad thing, and we should make it more difficult for people to get their green cards. charles: no, but i think in both

cases, if you make immigration form that short, you can shorten up the health care law thing. i think it's going to be deliberately a little more con that lewded to have the so-called navigators to help people out. i worry that they make some things more complicated than they have to be. we had people say you can make the entire tax -- when we pay taxes, it could be on one single page. >> that'd be a joy. >> it seems to me, though -- >> a smuggling pillow of hyperregulation from dc for some time, but what kills me, you see disclosures, that, oh, we didn't get that one, so we have to fill the form out. here's another form, fix it. charles: i think immigration is good, ad adam, but we are in a position where we have to clean up house better before we invite more inside. leaving it this, guys, sorry. sorry, guys. now, from the basketball court to the court of law. why is not -- why is it not

rutgers players that sue the school, but the guy who says he blew the whistle. ♪ @

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charles: basketballs and insults flying, and lawsuits coming. confirms the resignation days after the video surfaced showing mike rice abusing playerings. he was canned wednesday. the guy who blew the whistle on rice is suing rutgers for a million bucks claiming they fired him for releasing the video. trial attorneys says that there's a case here. fox news legal analyst says the university is right.

by the way, we contacted rutgers for comments, but the university did not respond. i want to go to you, mercedes, first. this is, you know, this is, obviously, captured the country's attention. most people are appalled by it, but you think the university is right in this case? >> well, it depends on the timing, and so far, the evidence shows that he -- did not conduct himself in protected activity. what do i mean by that? it's the timing. if the evidence showed after he had issues with rice, then terminated, and then went to the athletic director saying anyone notice what rice did with the players? that is the sequence of events, then the university has done nothing wrong, no retaliation. he was not punished for coming forward. he was terminated because he had issues with rice, apparently, what so far that we know, he has said to rice, i want to see my son's basketball camp, rice said, no, you can't go.

he went when, and when he came back, he was terminated. as long as the facts are such that it was -- he didn't complain after he was terminated, there's no issue with the university, and, by the way, there might be a lot of credibility to the time line i suggested, and that's because if mor dock claims all these abuses took place, why not come in 2010 when he started with rutgers? he should have come forward then if the abuses were as outrageous as he claims, that the video shows it. he didn't come until he was terminated? problems there for him. charles: certainly is. kelly, it's great that this whole thing is exposed, but it feels disinjen ewous, the timing of it. >> i don't disagree with the time line's critical, but the difference is there's evidence to suggest that he did go to highers up, told the university, said, i have a problem with this, he talked to pernelli and was ignored. they said give us proof, and we'll look at it. he did. these jobs that he has, this

assistant athletic directer position are difficult to get. it's a small community. he was trying to protect the students and, also, look out for the own best interest because he can't just get another job down the street at another school. they are prized jobs, and he followedded protocol, and, oh, by the way, not renewing the contract. there's no issue ever performance, suddenly, it's together, he blows the whistle, exposes the university in a bad way, and now he's out of a job. charles: kelly, you mentioned he's looking out for hides own interest as well as the players. which came first? was it job security and then players, or did he -- do you think that somewhere along the line his conscious got to him and the players came before his own job security? >> i think the players came before because he did go to the university. he did go to pernelli, told to bring proof, they didn't look at it, he's let go, and the video goes viral. that's not on him. there's other coaches resigns because they engauged in bad

activity. there's nothing to suggest he was end gauging in this. he might not have blown the whistle as loud in the beginning, but i think he recognized it was wrong, tried to address it properly, and realized, hey, dude, they say shut up and get out, and he's saying, are you kidding me? i have to protect the student, and the job is important too. charles: mercedes, you buy that? >> i don't. two years it's going to take him to get a conscious over how the students were treated? sounds like what was down with san j -- sandusky. if you go to a jury, if it gets there, they say what do you want, money? took you two years? the kids were abused in the way you claim, wii not going to buy it. we know where the bottom line is. you want money in this case. charles: guy, obviously, to your appointments, digging, performance reviews, time line, all looked at because you both put up a compelling case, and it boils down to when or if he

stepped up, but this is another tragedy in another thing that gives the universities a black eye. thanks a lot. have a great weekend. talk to you soon. >> thank you. >> thanks, charles. charles: is apple rotten to the core or about to have a comeback? we have the shocking numbers that has wall street doing a double-take. the man who could be the next wwe champion, john cena, here live in the flesh. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's great thing. bueven though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't cnged: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪

charles: tonight's business blist, is apple about to come back? apple losing the shine, but if this it indication, it could be wrong. 10.4 million new smart phone users added in three months, and 85% went to apple. to our biz market watchers, al louis and if apple is ready to buy back. larry, you think it is? >> oh, yeah. they have 50 billion a year in cash they generate. they can invest in the business, they make 70% on that, but there's not that many opportunities. charles: how do you get that? >> return on operating assets. charles: with block buster products. >> correct. there's not many opportunities. buy the stock, make 22, 23% fairly certain, or they can silt op it and make nothing. right now, they sit on it. i think it's getting a little old, and i think the board had

attention attracted by people in the financial community that want cash distribution, and my guess is we'll get it probably no later than the second quarter announcement. charles: you know, al, i guess it's interesting that larry was saying that because a lot of people op wall street see the idea that a company needs to squad on $140 billion as a red flag. >> well, maybe it's just one of the things that happen when you are too successful of a company. i would argue that apple really has not gone anywherement there's no shine gone. this is a stock that ran up to $700 a share, and now it's it's down in the $4 # 00's, and everyone is freaking out. maybe it should not have run up in the first place. any phone that comes out will only be incriminate tally better than the last. the blackberry is cool, but it's not selling well. you know, when you compare an apple iphone to another phone, it's like comparing, you know, a motorcycle to a harley davidson. they are all motorcycles, work the same, but there's something about a harley that people like. i think that apple has that same

culture, and they don't necessarily have to come up with new block buster products all the time when they come out with another iphone. charles: yeah, now there's the elephant graveyard of products that used to be hip, companies that used to be cool, and were put in neutral, and they were not hip and cool and vanished. i don't know. >> that's right, but it's still cool, in in moment in history, it's cool. charles: i don't know, samsung feels cooler. let's change topics here. some refer to the manatee as the elephant of the sea, others call them sea cows, but target says they are plus-sized dresses. they posted dresses with off colored descriptions labeling the smaller sizes dark heather gray and plus size as mafatee

gray. they got it right? >> our plus sized women now in a protected class, watch everything you say about it. i have never heard of a large woman being referred to as a mantaee, i know that they are sea cows, but i never heard one called a sea cow. you know, frag frankly, none how it happened, and i see us having follow-up with it on -- fun with it on tv. really, manatee gray, i'm offended by that? come on. charles: you're not a woman. >> this should be the negative awards. this is incredible stupidity, but target really, rrally strong data mining capability. i'm sure five minutes after it was out, they understood how much damage they did to their brand and moved radically to correct it, and that's the right thing to do. charles: a wrong thing from the very beginning. >> yeah, a mistake. this gets in the real stew pisty

award. >> all right. it's not a big mistake. this is like a typo. this is just somebody -- charl: you're not a fat guy. i'm overweight. i'm a little sensitive to this stuff, man. >> i struggled with weight my whole life, heavy as 190 pounds, and now i'm down to 163, but i could yo-yo back at any minute. i understand the obesity crisis and the struggle that people have, and, we shouldn't joke about it that much because it's bankrupting our country. 70% of medical costs, they say, are completely avoidable, and it has to do with, you know, our culture of eating too much. all of us. you know, two-thirds of us, at least. charles: no doubt about it. i make sure if you gain weight, it's not manatee gray. the jobs report. how do you feel about this economic rebound, al? >> i have always been going along with the idea that there's not really an economic rebound. when you borrow money, print the

money, you make yourself look better. i think the volatility in the economy proves that point. charles: larry? >> the two industries that drive recovery are doing well. we had pretty much records for the last five years, car sales in mar of, real numbers, but revised that the government collects. the housing business is really, really strong. market after market turning up, prices are up, i think 15% -- charles: i can nitpick. auto sales, anyone can get a loan, sub prime loans through the roof, and housing, particularly existing home sales, fewer first time buyer now than a year ago. wall street bundles houses, flippers flipping houses, but is there traction? >> yeah, absolutely think so. the reason is housing inventories are low. there are very, very few houses available for sale. the ones available in many markets, there are multiple bidding contests. there was one significant one

that's developed now in mass, hardly a hot bed of economic activity, although there's building up there. you can't really get a recession with auto and housing moving in very, very strong directions. i think once you get better weather, you'll see the non-durable part of retail improve, so i'm optimistic. charles: guys, listen, this 88,000, at this stage of the recovery, is scary stuff. you guys were fantastic. al, thanks for bringing us back on track with the topic. you're absolutely right. next, john cena is here, and we have a big surprise for him. he's takeing on the rock, but take on another wwe superstar because the man is here. ♪

charles: new jersey was the center of hurricane sandy, and this weekend, it's the center for wwe the universe wrestlemainian live in sunday at

metlife stadium, and governor christie is planning to use the event to tout new york and new jersey's comeback expectedded to generate $1 00 million in an economic boost. the next guest takes on the rock in the main event, and he and the other stars of wwe are helping victims along the way. welcome to the show. >> thanks for having me. charles: i was talking smack this week. >> i wore my business suit to the show if it got out of line. charles: good to see you, after all the years, the events get bigger and bigger. it's amazing. >> it is. last year alone, wwe boosted miami's economy by over a hundred million dollars, and plan to do the same for the new york-new jersey area. wrestlemania is not just a marquee stable in sports entertainment, but it also gives back to the community, and we've showed that. last year, we sthoad that, and this year we had a wonderful, successful sandy relief charity event last night, and that's

just the beginning of our road to wrestlemania this sunday. charles: you all take pride in helping local communities. this is important to you guys? >> not that we just want to put on a great show, but we want to let the community know we're happy to be here, happy to be in the area, happy knob in new york city, metlife stadium, and we want to impact both around the world with the product and with our superstars, and our superstars give back. charles: my brother bought a ring side seat the day they were on sale. >> he and 52,000 other people. we set a record for on-sale tickets of over 52,000 the day we were on sale in november. the new york-new jersey area anticipated this. charles: that was in the midst of suffering, the dust had not settled yet, and fans still came out. >> in droves. just shows the support globally that the wwe has, the stroke and

the energy, the marquee of wrestlemania has behind it and people are excited. charles: expected to break records for paper view? you are the two biggest names. >> with over 75,000 in metlife stadium this sunday and -- charles: you and the rock -- >> world watching on pay per view, i don't see another showcase. it's a wwe's dream come true to see it sunday. charles: talk about the fans for a moment because it's odd in a way, listen, you're a marine, starred in the movie "the marine," come across as a nice guy, but the kids love you, the women love you, and men hate you. what's the deal? >> i knew that was coming. our business has been when people don't like you, you lash out, and when people like you, you appreciate them. i've been one superstar who trance sends that. i enjoy what the wwe universe stands for, enviet fans to come in and get lost.

that's why, really, we can globally transcend and tour and entertain everyone. i'm that guy who says if you pay money to see me, you can do whatever you want. if that tells me to get out of the building or cheer for me, either way, come in, enjoy the event and have a great time. charles: you have fan credibility. one of the phenomenas people talk about is just the social media, not only you agented, but you got a large fan base on social media. how many people follow you? >> with over 3.6 million op twitter, and i believe over -- approaching 15 or maybe 17 million on facebook. charles: that's like bieber territory. >> we get the message out there. wwe, in its entirety has 147 # million people connected to our social network in the ww universe. that's a strong message to send. charles: i have 20 ask, you know, you and the rock -- i don't know how rusty the rock is. movie shape, wrestling shape? >> you're asking -- charles: what's the odds.

>> that's asking me to talk trash about a guy who beat me last year. i'm in a tough spot because i faced him last year, and i lost. i told everyone in the wrestle mania kickoff that my predictions for this year, a few surprises, a ton of magic moments for the wwup verse and those who watch sunday on pay per view will be intertaped. charles: you workedded out special tricks specifically to take down the rock? >> i was born at night, but not last night. i dissected that film frame after frame. i got him scouted good enough, but i don't want to say i'm going to win, because i did that last year and i was second. i know what it feels like. charles: it's one of these things where, you know, the sports world is more competitive than ever. you know, the x games, all different sport doing well, and, still, is it -- the entertain ment, the way you guys care about the community, something special, just sort of unique, about wrestling, wwe,

than the rest of the sports? >> i think -- charles: without dissing the other sports. >> no, i don't have it to do. wwe is in a class by itself because wwe takes the excitement of a buzzer beater at the final four, walkoff home run, the excitement of a hail mary in the fourth quarter of the super bowl, we take that element of sport and mix it with the drama of your favorite tv show, the pomp and circumstance of a rock cop cert, put it together, and present it to our audience, and that's what is globally accepted about wwe when people buy a ticket or when people watch us on pay per view this sunday, they truly see the best in sports, the best in entertain. under one roof. that's why wwe celebrates its 29th anniversary. charles: you know, i tell you, what i marvel at probably with all the things you talked # about, the athletism, you guys are not just big, for all big guys, but athletic, nimble.

it's like, you know, is there a special type of training? really, i mean, i went home wednesday night, promoted this show, went down to the basement, bench pressed in case you got out of line, but i'm stiff, man. when you guys fly around the ring, so you guys, i mean, it's a real deal with respect to the type of athletism. >> being a ww superstar is hard work. there is a fundamental skill to learn, but to make it to our major leagues, not only do you have to be athletically gifted, but conduct yourself in a profession environment. we asked the lower level wwe superstars to be on an operating level of the greatest, the pip call, a manning, tom brady, so it is hard work. you have to conduct yourself, you have to be athletic, and you have to be able to give punishment to take punishment. there's a lot involved. you're right. there's a lot involved. charles: last match i went to, marveled at the athletism.

stay there, for a moment, stay with us. one of your opponents is here, and i think he's looking for payback. john, known as daisy l. ready to take him on. you can see him, he's next. >> it's going to be good. charles: a little slimmer than last time, though. ♪ so let's break down this play. charles? uh, charles couldn't make it. his single miles card blacked him out here and here. he should have used... the capital one venture card. he's coming to us from home. hey fellas... hey baby, you want mama to iron your undies? nice tightie whities. i didn't know mrs. barkley made quilts. really? looks like a circus tent. is that the best you got? now if you put this, with this, you have a sailboat. what's in your wallet?

charles: wrestlemania 29 this sunday, but now, time to look at wrestlemainian before 2005. wrestle mania 21, john cena, winning the first wwe champion after beating my friend, my boy, john layfield. look at that kick. ce enrings a, of course, went to be one of the biggest wwe stars

of all time, and you resorted to coming on neil cavuto. [laughter] >> reminds me of first prize a cadillac, sec prize, steak knives. >> i'm a potted plant. i'm the fall guy here. i had offense that match. >> not much, not much. charles: you look great, but that's, you know, you look suave. >> i couldn't beat him if 2005 when i was in shape, now i'm a skinny man, no chance whatsoever. listen, the transition from wrestling, john -- charles: setting the stage, starts businesses, a commentator, writes books, there's life after wrestling. >> and all competition aside, he's a wonderful mentor. i told him that on multiple occasions to be a champ yon, you have to beat one. he's from the success in the ring to success outside the

wring from the charity work, he literally has set the bar. being the reason that wwe now has a well-known establishment with the united states military is because of this man sitting to my right. so many accomplishments in and out of the ring dwin him as a champion, if you lock horns today, it's a copy flip. >> no. >> certainly the definition of what the wwe considers a true champion. charles: you might get the itch, between us, i know it's not, you know, what's in the rules, but if you go at him, you better sneak him. [laughter] you know that already. i don't have to tell you that. >> him or the rock. have you seen the size of both of the guys? john's the face of the wwe. we thought at the time, and i was one of the guys who said at the time he's the gee, and i don't think anybody could have predicted how far he's come. you know, this many years later, he still headlines wrestlemania,

making movie, the merchandise, the charity work. i missed the segment earlier with fox, but john susan g. komen was his idea, over 40 alone, 5 remarkable thing. charles: remarkable. the character of the organization, and i don't think is questioned, but i want to ask you something, john, i want to ask about this. there's been controversial over the culture, wwe manager, many say is falsely portraying the tea party. i want you to take a look at this. >> and i see a country i don't even recognize. i see people with faces not like mine. i see people that i don't know what they're saying. they can't even talk to me. i like around, and i think, where did all these people come from? most importantly, i think how do we get rid of them?

charles: john, what's the deal with this guy? >> he's a bad guy, suspect -- isn't he? it's a fix -- fix -- fictional character. he played my character in the@ 1990s. we have a popular mention cap champion from mexico, and aelberto, j a second generation there. we need an adversary for him so they created this zeb culture character. charles: can it go too far? you know, you're character was a villainist character. >> i was a bad guy. i was a bad guy to john. ever good guy needs a bad guy, and alberto needs one. can it be too far? absolutely. we're a pg-13 project. we don't use ropes, or rape like most shows do. we're pg-13 product. i've been in the creative because i do commentary for wrestlemain ya, and not one time has a tea party or racist thing

be brought up, it's just a bad guy. >> outside the ring, john memory lapses. we used to be a pg-13, now we're a tv pg product which we don't go near the lines of what's inappropriate and i inappropriae for families. it's completely family appropriate. this sunday, you'll see intertaping bad guys like zeb culture, superstars like myself and the rock and everyone, all ages, races, doesn't matter, come in, be entertained. >> how about that? one of the future champs, ten time champ, the commentator. [laughter] he retired me once. he retired me once in the ring, and may retire me at commentary. charles: that could be next, that's right. are you nuts? >> i'm supposed to be the guy with all the inside. charles: who is bigger, you or the rock? >> hopefully this sunday, the world sees that i'mbigger. charles: can begin get bigger?

>> currently right now in a size and until the tape, rock is 6'4, i'm 6 healthdyne technologies 1. -- 6'1. aisle i'll go on record and i'm physicalally stronger. the rock defeated me once, i have not defeated him, so hopefully that changes. charles: you can't predict, john, on this -- >> sure he can, he's a commentator. [laughter] charles: who do you think wins? >> this, to me, the most unbelievable thing done. they had rock against cena last year, biggest of all time, built it up for a year. the rematch has been a year and coming, and john cena believes he's fighting for redemption. that's strong to fight for. charles: it is. what about the movie side, continue to pursue it? >> the wwe is expanding

internally at an unbelievable rate with our fully diving into social media. charles: a network as welcoming? >> we have a network on the way, and literally, we are taking social media by storm, and the company is just literally the dominoes fall as far as expansion. i'm trying to keep up with what we do internally, fascinated by the business and performance side. as the movies come and go, things have to be correctly placed just because it has to match with the intellectual prop on wwe. not as many as i used to do, but when there's the right project, yes, i'll do. you have to take time off to do movie, and i like my position with the wwe and the position with the company and working every night. right now, i'm where i need to be. charles: i figured that when i saw the rock and movies getting bigger and bigger and bigger, you know, maybe he would come back to wrestling or integrate that into his -- >> and he did. glad he's back. he was the number one movie in the world, and now this sunday on pay per view, see him live against me. >> what john anddthe rock have

done is amazing outside of the wrestling. sold a billion dollars worth of movie receipts. charles: john cena is nipping justin bieber's heeling right there, nipping his heels. >> the way justin is imploding now, john passings him. charles: if you need another character, he might be it. right gnarring you'll be successful. this sunday, without a doubt, you will break records and it's fantastic and help victims of sandy. that's all. that's really -- >> everyone in metlife stadium or who watches this sunday on pay-per-view sees an unbelievable show, unbelievable environment doing wonderful things for the local economy and entertaining audiences worldwide. charles: thanks a lot. >> appreciate it. charles: do not forget to watch wrestlemainian, this sunday, pay per sigh, 7 p.m. eastern, john

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